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Kor Soluce
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:22:00 -
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I
Faking
Love
The Mining Barge changes. I love them to death, and all night long.
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
The side effect is what you bought before, and now what it does and is worth.
On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
On the subject of purpose: everybody wanted dat Hulk. Whether you were going it solo or in a group, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was most commonly sought after. But now people that wanted it because it was tankier or could hold more have been overshot by ships that were cheaper.
Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. And since I've seen a fair amount of surprise, noticed that not every single EVE player is on the forums, and never got an email a week ago detailing all the changes I don't think the "This has been posted at the county records office for over a year!" excuse is going to work. I had to go into a basement, damnit!
I would propose that for the next week, or some future finite time period, CCP should give all EVE players the option to trade any one mining barge for any one other mining barge. But only one, and only once. This remedies the issue of losing the purpose you bought our ship for or replaces the market value you could have gained.
I will now begin to mentally prepare myself for the oncoming shitstorm of people telling me how this ruins the veterancy system or some other crap. :P |
Kor Soluce
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:26:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you.
Or you just prefer to do other things with your day them watch the forums constantly. I didn't know that CCP gives you an advance look at patch notes. I didn't see them until today. From the number of complaints and surprise, I'd say a lot of other people are in the same situation as me.
If you read the patchnotes early, you deserve to be rewarded. If you don't read the patchnotes early, you don't deserve to be directly punished. |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote: oh look another mining whine thread For the love of cornflakes and Abraham Lincolns mother..... listen closely cause Im only gonna say this once more The barge changes are good for miners - good for EvE as a whole If you want a new barge - BUY the damn thing - you should be able to with the changes they have made I am a great big ass carebear myself and I embrace these changes as they will make mining and indy stuff easier and more profitable. Hell i am even tempted for the first time to take a proc or skiff to low sec and do some mining (hears the clicking of keyboards as 1000 locator agents suddenly start searching for me)
Then allow me to make this perfectly clear for everyone. I don't have a problem with waiting and buying another mining barge for my ugly self. I do have a problem with a gaming company directly punishing/rewarding a player choice based on information that was not going to be seen by everyone. I'm sure a bunch of people are very happy for that free 150mil they were just handed. Now where's that guy whining at me about "Letting the players control the game". Uh-huh. |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:31:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Speculation: where some do money but most lose it. Get over it.
I try not to do my money. Too many paper cuts. |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:35:00 -
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So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong? |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:So you all have a problem with CCP handing out freebeis to players, but have no problem with the free ISK essentially given to players with a Skiff or Mack? Either you were lucky and just got it, or you expected the market to hump, bought them in advance, and go it. Either way, ISK handed to people based on nothing but the patch. Aaand ... nobody sees the problem with that? That's ok, but a trade of ships that effects value less is wrong? Should CCP charge people ISK because their ships got buffed?
No, which I believe I already said. But offering a trade balances out that by allowing people to trade in their lower worth ship for the higher worth ship. This makes it so that people negatively effected by the market flux don't loose money. |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:42:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:I
On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
Prices are always going to fluctuate severely so soon after a patch -- let the market play itself out for a day or so. The reason that the prices went so high is because of the demand generated by the new changes. Everybody wants one, so the price is going to jump as ship-builders take advantage of it. (Just because Hulk players gained nothing doesn't make it a 'loss', by the by -- they aren't having anything taken away from them, after all. It's just that demand for the Skif and Mack outstrip the demand for the Hulk.)
When every solar stock except your goes up, it's called a loss. When every exhumer but yours goes up, guesswhatit'saloss. |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:51:00 -
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El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!"
There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods. |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:55:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:If someone did not have the foresight to check the forums for patch information in an MMO, they deserve not to reap the benefits.
Edit: Forum stop eating my posts with 404 errors!!!
What I made was a suggestion, I have no actual problem with how the patch was handled and I can wait to upgrade in the future. But just because the MMO industry expects you to watch their patch notes like the Sunday paper doesn't mean it's the right way to do things. When you have changes like these that you know will effect more then just the stats you changed, and will have a big effect, I think there need to be extra measures to the players of your game. I don't think it's right when CCP, Blizzard, or any other MMO dev pulls this kind of stunt. |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:59:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods. there is no law called Ex Post Facto
Ahh, I was thinking of what appears to be a legal provision. My mistake.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/ex_post_facto
Man that was a long 2 seconds of Googling. While Ex Post Facto doesn't apply to what CCP has done in the slightest, it applies to the above example. |
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Kor Soluce
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:02:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods. 1. That's not a law, that's a Constitutional Provision. 2. That's not what it means. The Constitutional prohibition on Ex Post Facto Laws means that the government can't enact a law that punishes people for actions that were legal at the time they were committed. If Billy kills someone on Monday in a legal manner, the government makes that killing illegal on Tuesday, and Bobby kills someone on Wednesday in the same manner as Billy did, Billy's off the hook, but Bobby's going to jail. Also, losing money (well, losing the opportunity to make money) because you didn't take advantage of public information is not CCP punishing you for anything.
Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did. |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:05:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:I say we go and gank OP nonstop in his shiny boats that he is complaining CCP cheated him out of.
also, it was no stunt. stop playing the victim jesus ******* christ.
I'm probably getting myself mixed up, so let me say it again.
I have no actual issue with the changes.
I have no actual issue with people being able to profit from the patch.
I have no actual issue waiting to but a new rig later on.
I do think there could have been better ways to handle this, I was suggesting one and why I felt that way.
You're all taking my suggestion like I'm making a demand, I am not. If I'm making it seem that way I apologize. |
Kor Soluce
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:06:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:
Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did.
They posted the changes publicly. They posted a link in the launcher. They sent an Email announcing the patch. What more do you want?
See, I didn't get an email. I'll check my account and spam filter settings. Because, like I said earlier, if I'd gotten an email I would have no issue at all. No suggestions, no postin. |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:08:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:If change can happen to a Tyrannosaurus Rex, it can happen to anyone. Besides, it's too late to roll back the mammal expansion.
But reptiles got the ubernerf! D= |
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:13:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:[quote=Kor Soluce]
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
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Knowledge is power dude.
Seriously. This was announced some time ago. Unless you live under a rock It would have been hard to miss. And given the open market nature of EVE it pays (literally) to stay informed.
Bookmark the devblog page (or subscribe if you can, never looked to see if you can). No need to be a forum junkie.
Are you stalking me? Cause you totally just described my house. That's it, I'm callin' da popo! First I have to find my phone, it's dark under this rock. |
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